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::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST) | ::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST) | ||
=Discussion= | =Discussion= | ||
+ | ;How to get started | ||
− | + | :*A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link. | |
− | + | :*NMfG quotations only, no original content --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC) | |
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+ | ;Needs on the wiki | ||
+ | : A-Z review for needs: | ||
+ | :::--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books '''WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW''': search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("'''Discussion'''" tab at top beside "'''Page'''"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love") | ||
+ | :::--super-bulky pages needing splitting: ''take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page'' (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed. | ||
+ | :::--check all pages to make sure they include | ||
+ | :::::*[https://www.newmessage.org/wiki/Special:Categories Categories]; | ||
+ | :::::*"See also"; | ||
+ | :::::*"Further Study"; | ||
+ | :::::*graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail); | ||
+ | :::::*quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (''replace with direct words from quotes'').---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC) | ||
==Formatting References== | ==Formatting References== | ||
'''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not. | '''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not. | ||
− | ; | + | ;General guidelines: |
− | :Please give the name and date of the | + | :*Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional |
− | : | + | :*The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of ''The One Book''--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
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==Discussion pages== | ==Discussion pages== | ||
− | + | Use these for additional quotes that | |
+ | *duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote. | ||
+ | *do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes. | ||
+ | *have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups | ||
== Pages needing administrator == | == Pages needing administrator == | ||
− | [[Main Page]] The corridors need to link to categories, right? Following example of category:God ? Categories are listed on help page (search box only brings up 9 of 11). Alternatively, my preference actually, a "see also" link at the bottom of the corridor's main entrance, the page of that title. | + | ;Categories |
− | ::I'm not sure about this.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:31, 23 November 2011 (PST) | + | :Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC) |
− | :::A "see also" is redundant; clicking on the category itself opens the category page. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 23 November 2011 (PST) | + | <del>[[Main Page]] The corridors need to link to categories, right? Following example of category:God ? Categories are listed on help page (search box only brings up 9 of 11). Alternatively, my preference actually, a "see also" link at the bottom of the corridor's main entrance, the page of that title.</del> |
− | ::::Better if the corridor links go to pages instead of categories. I'll change that. I don't think "See also" is redundant, since it's tailored page by page to take people to closely related pages that may not be in the same category.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:35, 7 December 2011 (PST) | + | <del>::I'm not sure about this.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:31, 23 November 2011 (PST)</del> |
− | :::::Sorry, the redundant "see also" I meant was to list a category page under a "see also" heading-- [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:42, 7 December 2011 (PST) | + | <del>:::A "see also" is redundant; clicking on the category itself opens the category page. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 23 November 2011 (PST)</del> |
− | + | <del>::::Better if the corridor links go to pages instead of categories. I'll change that. I don't think "See also" is redundant, since it's tailored page by page to take people to closely related pages that may not be in the same category.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:35, 7 December 2011 (PST)</del> | |
+ | <del>:::::Sorry, the redundant "see also" I meant was to list a category page under a "see also" heading-- [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:42, 7 December 2011 (PST)</del> | ||
+ | == Longer quotes == | ||
+ | Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <nowiki> <blockquote> </blockquote> </nowiki> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC) | ||
<del>If the material is more than one paragraph, use opening quotation marks for each paragraph but closing quotation marks only at the end.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 18:59, 16 November 2011 (PST)</del> | <del>If the material is more than one paragraph, use opening quotation marks for each paragraph but closing quotation marks only at the end.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 18:59, 16 November 2011 (PST)</del> | ||
− | :Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST) | + | :Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)</del> |
− | ::Note: based on Will's concern (and the perplexing difficulty sometimes in locating a quote missing its attribution!), it is o.k. to combine paragraphs in order to avoid the chance they might get separated or any question arise about the source of a paragraph. Not only o.k., it is needful. The only exception has been where formatting tools rearrange the text on the read page but the edit page clearly contains the excerpt as a unity, with no paragraph breaks.[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 10:18, 25 September 2016 (PDT) | + | <del>::Note: based on Will's concern (and the perplexing difficulty sometimes in locating a quote missing its attribution!), it is o.k. to combine paragraphs in order to avoid the chance they might get separated or any question arise about the source of a paragraph. Not only o.k., it is needful. The only exception has been where formatting tools rearrange the text on the read page but the edit page clearly contains the excerpt as a unity, with no paragraph breaks.[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 10:18, 25 September 2016 (PDT) |
− | + | <del>What do you say we tighten up the quotations with lots of white space? --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)</del> | |
− | + | <del>:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)</del> | |
− | What do you say we tighten up the quotations with lots of white space? --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST) | + | <del>When I quote an excerpt that straddles paragraphs, I combine them ignoring the paragraph break.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)</del> |
− | :Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST) | + | <del>:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST) |
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− | When I quote an excerpt that straddles paragraphs, I combine them ignoring the paragraph break.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST) | ||
− | :Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST) | ||
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When copying from other sources and pasting onto wiki, a couple things (so far) to watch: 1) two hyphens does not equal an mdash in wikiscript. You will need to replace them with code: ampersand, mdash, semicolon — find it on chart at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting help page for formatting]). 2) In passages with quotation marks, change them to apostrophes. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 12:40, 17 November 2011 (PST) | When copying from other sources and pasting onto wiki, a couple things (so far) to watch: 1) two hyphens does not equal an mdash in wikiscript. You will need to replace them with code: ampersand, mdash, semicolon — find it on chart at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting help page for formatting]). 2) In passages with quotation marks, change them to apostrophes. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 12:40, 17 November 2011 (PST) | ||
− | :I feel that two hyphens will do in a pinch. It can be later cleaned up with a search, right? It needs to remain easy for people to pop the wiki open, drop in an excellent quote, and leave, without worrying about syntax. And yes, a real mdash will look better and be easier to read.[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST) | + | <del>:I feel that two hyphens will do in a pinch. It can be later cleaned up with a search, right? It needs to remain easy for people to pop the wiki open, drop in an excellent quote, and leave, without worrying about syntax. And yes, a real mdash will look better and be easier to read.[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)</del> |
− | :::I was wrong about using two hyphens; they do seem to join now (in an ndash, i guess, but ok, ok). | + | <del>:::I was wrong about using two hyphens; they do seem to join now (in an ndash, i guess, but ok, ok).</del> |
Revision as of 16:36, 20 April 2020
Please sign your addition with four tildes (~). Will 09:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)
- Also please indent replies with added colons(:) to clarify threads.
- Like this.Will 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
Discussion
- How to get started
- Needs on the wiki
- A-Z review for needs:
- --skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW: search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("Discussion" tab at top beside "Page"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
- --super-bulky pages needing splitting: take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
- --check all pages to make sure they include
- Categories;
- "See also";
- "Further Study";
- graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
- quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (replace with direct words from quotes).---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Formatting References
PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY! Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.
- General guidelines
Discussion pages
Use these for additional quotes that
- duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.
- do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
- have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups
Pages needing administrator
- Categories
- Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Main Page The corridors need to link to categories, right? Following example of category:God ? Categories are listed on help page (search box only brings up 9 of 11). Alternatively, my preference actually, a "see also" link at the bottom of the corridor's main entrance, the page of that title.
::I'm not sure about this.-WillWikiAdmin 18:31, 23 November 2011 (PST)
:::A "see also" is redundant; clicking on the category itself opens the category page. --Mary s 19:25, 23 November 2011 (PST)
::::Better if the corridor links go to pages instead of categories. I'll change that. I don't think "See also" is redundant, since it's tailored page by page to take people to closely related pages that may not be in the same category.-WillWikiAdmin 18:35, 7 December 2011 (PST)
:::::Sorry, the redundant "see also" I meant was to list a category page under a "see also" heading-- Mary s 20:42, 7 December 2011 (PST)
Longer quotes
Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <blockquote> </blockquote> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
If the material is more than one paragraph, use opening quotation marks for each paragraph but closing quotation marks only at the end.--Mary s 18:59, 16 November 2011 (PST)
- Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph!Will 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)
::Note: based on Will's concern (and the perplexing difficulty sometimes in locating a quote missing its attribution!), it is o.k. to combine paragraphs in order to avoid the chance they might get separated or any question arise about the source of a paragraph. Not only o.k., it is needful. The only exception has been where formatting tools rearrange the text on the read page but the edit page clearly contains the excerpt as a unity, with no paragraph breaks.Mary s (talk) 10:18, 25 September 2016 (PDT)
What do you say we tighten up the quotations with lots of white space? --Mary s 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
:Please yesWikiAdmin 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
When I quote an excerpt that straddles paragraphs, I combine them ignoring the paragraph break.--Mary s 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
:Please yesWikiAdmin 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
When copying from other sources and pasting onto wiki, a couple things (so far) to watch: 1) two hyphens does not equal an mdash in wikiscript. You will need to replace them with code: ampersand, mdash, semicolon — find it on chart at help page for formatting). 2) In passages with quotation marks, change them to apostrophes. --Mary s 12:40, 17 November 2011 (PST)
:I feel that two hyphens will do in a pinch. It can be later cleaned up with a search, right? It needs to remain easy for people to pop the wiki open, drop in an excellent quote, and leave, without worrying about syntax. And yes, a real mdash will look better and be easier to read.WikiAdmin 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
:::I was wrong about using two hyphens; they do seem to join now (in an ndash, i guess, but ok, ok).