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::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
=Discussion=
 
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;How to get started
  
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== Page titles ==
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:*A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link.
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There is a preference for using sentence case--capitalized as if in a sentence---for the reason that it saves editors a little effort when embedding links if the capitalization matches the caps in the sentence where you want to add the link. This is only a suggestion that as a rule is sometimes overlooked, and that is not a big deal. [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 10:08, 25 September 2016 (PDT)
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:*NMfG quotations only, no original content --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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;Needs on the wiki
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: A-Z review for needs:
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:::--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books '''WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW''': search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("'''Discussion'''" tab at top beside "'''Page'''"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
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:::--super-bulky pages needing splitting: ''take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page'' (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
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:::--check all pages to make sure they include
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:::::*[https://www.newmessage.org/wiki/Special:Categories Categories];
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:::::*"See also";
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:::::*"Further Study";
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:::::*graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
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:::::*quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (''replace with direct words from quotes'').---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
  
 
==Formatting References==
 
==Formatting References==
 
'''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.
 
'''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.
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:Please give the name and date of the Teaching you quote
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:*Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional
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:Post NMG quotations only, no original content [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 10:04, 25 September 2016 (PDT)
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:*The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of ''The One Book''--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
  
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== Ellipses ==
 
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If you cut the beginning of a sentence from your quote, with a full sentence remaining, just capitalize the first word in the new (partial) sentence, no ellipses points (...) needed. Do use ellipses points (...) if omitting words from within the quotation. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 21:00, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
 
==Discussion pages==
 
==Discussion pages==
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I am using Discussion pages as holding places for undecided content, such as outlines or unattributed/unverified quotations. For example [[Talk:The Messenger]], where I'm jotting down the references cited during the Messenger's Vigil so we can review this most important page for completeness and correct emphasis. I'm using my own discussion page ([[User talk:Mary s]]) to hold notes and suggestions from others. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 08:42, 3 March 2014 (PST)
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Use these for additional quotes that
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*duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.  
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*do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
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*have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups
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Further discussion, with examples, on [https://www.community.newmessage.org/members/marys/activity/32414/ this thread on the Worldwide Community site]
 
== Pages needing administrator ==
 
== Pages needing administrator ==
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[[Main Page]] The corridors need to link to categories, right? Following example of category:God ? Categories are listed on help page (search box only brings up 9 of 11). Alternatively, my preference actually, a "see also" link at the bottom of the corridor's main entrance, the page of that title.
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::I'm not sure about this.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:31, 23 November 2011 (PST)
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:Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::A "see also" is redundant; clicking on the category itself opens the category page. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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::::Better if the corridor links go to pages instead of categories. I'll change that. I don't think "See also" is redundant, since it's tailored page by page to take people to closely related pages that may not be in the same category.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:35, 7 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:::::Sorry, the redundant "see also" I meant was to list a category page under a "see also" heading-- [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:42, 7 December 2011 (PST)
 
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== Quotation marks ==
 
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<del>If the material is more than one paragraph, use opening quotation marks for each paragraph but closing quotation marks only at the end.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 18:59, 16 November 2011 (PST)</del>
 
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:Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)
 
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::Note: based on Will's concern (and the perplexing difficulty sometimes in locating a quote missing its attribution!), it is o.k. to combine paragraphs in order to avoid the chance they might get separated or any question arise about the source of a paragraph. Not only o.k., it is needful. The only exception has been where formatting tools rearrange the text on the read page but the edit page clearly contains the excerpt as a unity, with no paragraph breaks.[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 10:18, 25 September 2016 (PDT)
 
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== Text formatting ==
 
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What do you say we tighten up the quotations with lots of white space? --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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When I quote an excerpt that straddles paragraphs, I combine them ignoring the paragraph break.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
  
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When copying from other sources and pasting onto wiki, a couple things (so far) to watch: 1) two hyphens does not equal an mdash in wikiscript. You will need to replace them with code: ampersand, mdash, semicolon &mdash; find it on chart at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting help page for formatting]). 2) In passages with quotation marks, change them to apostrophes. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 12:40, 17 November 2011 (PST)
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== Longer quotes ==
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:I feel that two hyphens will do in a pinch. It can be later cleaned up with a search, right? It needs to remain easy for people to pop the wiki open, drop in an excellent quote, and leave, without worrying about syntax. And yes, a real mdash will look better and be easier to read.[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
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Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <nowiki> <blockquote> </blockquote> </nowiki> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::I was wrong about using two hyphens; they do seem to join now (in an ndash, i guess, but ok, ok).
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:Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)</del>

Latest revision as of 16:55, 18 May 2020

Please sign your addition with four tildes (~). Will 09:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Also please indent replies with added colons(:) to clarify threads.
Like this.Will 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Discussion

How to get started
  • A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link.
  • NMfG quotations only, no original content --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Needs on the wiki
A-Z review for needs:
--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW: search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("Discussion" tab at top beside "Page"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
--super-bulky pages needing splitting: take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
--check all pages to make sure they include
  • Categories;
  • "See also";
  • "Further Study";
  • graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
  • quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (replace with direct words from quotes).---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Formatting References

PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY! Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.

General guidelines
  • Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional
  • The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of The One Book--Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion pages

Use these for additional quotes that

  • duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.
  • do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
  • have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups

Further discussion, with examples, on this thread on the Worldwide Community site

Pages needing administrator

Categories
Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Longer quotes

Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <blockquote> </blockquote> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph!Will 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)
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