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::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
=Discussion=
 
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== Page titles ==
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:*A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link.
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:*NMfG quotations only, no original content --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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;Needs on the wiki
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: A-Z review for needs:
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:::--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books '''WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW''': search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("'''Discussion'''" tab at top beside "'''Page'''"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
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:::--super-bulky pages needing splitting: ''take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page'' (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
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:::--check all pages to make sure they include
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:::::*[https://www.newmessage.org/wiki/Special:Categories Categories];
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:::::*"See also";
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:::::*"Further Study";
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:::::*graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
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:::::*quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (''replace with direct words from quotes'').---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
  
 
==Formatting References==
 
==Formatting References==
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'''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.
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;General guidelines:
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:*Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional
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:*The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of ''The One Book''--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
  
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Tracking the old-style links producing 404 error. This an exception to the rule that proper formatting is optional! -[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:53, 19 September 2015 (PDT)
 
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;Found 404 errors on these links have been corrected by the web team:
 
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:<strike>http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-12-whom-will-you-meet
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-13-must-unlearned
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-15-serves-humanity
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-17-how-does-revelation-occur-in-human-life
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-25-what-is-grace
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/the-message/other-revelations/god-is-moving-humanity-in-a-new-direction
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/living-the-way-of-knowledge-chapter-9-sharing-the-way-of-knowledge-with-others
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/living-the-way-of-knowledge-chapter-11-preparing-for-the-future
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/poverty
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/wisdom-from-the-greater-community-volume-2-chapter-1-ambition
 
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:www.newmessage.org/wisdom-from-the-greater-community-volume-2-chapter-2-possessions</strike>
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-11-what-is-your-preparation-for
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/nmfg/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-15-serves-humanity/
 
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:http://wp.newmessage.org/wisdom-from-the-greater-community-volume-1-chapter-10-Service/
 
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:http://wp.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-2-what-is-the-world/
 
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:http://newmessage.org/ee/index.php/special-teachings/what-is-creation
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-10-how-do-you-prepare
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/ee/index.php/special-teachings/the-proclamation
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/wisdom-from-the-greater-community-volume-1-chapter-15-giving-i
 
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:http://newmessage.org/ee/index.php/special-teachings/the-burden-of-the-messenger
 
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:http://www.newmessage.org/greater-community-spirituality-chapter-13-must-unlearned-2
 
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A possible but weird solution to managing links to revelations: A page dedicated to the scope and structure of the NM that is very listy. It lists the structural arrangement of texts by volume, book and chapter; every revelation published can be linked to that page; all other wiki citations--instead of a direct link to the website--will link to this page through the vol., book, and chapter notation. I cherish a small hope this device will allow us to use simplified notation 1.1.5 for The Seal of the Prophets, for example, so then linked to the page where it explains the notation. Let the reader work a little, I say. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 15:30, 20 September 2015 (PDT) 
 
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'''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.
 
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;Other guidelines:
 
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:Please give the name and date of the Teaching you quote
 
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:Post direct quotations from the NMfG only,  without comment
 
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:Single-word or single-concept page headings are best
 
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:Citing by Volume, Book and Chapter is optional, pending the addition of numbering by verse[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 12:44, 16 September 2015 (PDT)
 
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== Ellipses ==
 
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If you cut the beginning of a sentence from your quote, with a full sentence remaining, just capitalize the first word in the new (partial) sentence, no ellipses points (...) needed. Do use ellipses points (...) if omitting words from within the quotation. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 21:00, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
 
==Discussion pages==
 
==Discussion pages==
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I am using Discussion pages as holding places for undecided content, such as outlines or unattributed/unverified quotations. For example [[Talk:The Messenger]], where I'm jotting down the references cited during the Messenger's Vigil so we can review this most important page for completeness and correct emphasis. I'm using my own discussion page ([[User talk:Mary s]]) to hold notes and suggestions from others. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 08:42, 3 March 2014 (PST)
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Use these for additional quotes that
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*duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.  
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*do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
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*have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups
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Further discussion, with examples, on [https://www.community.newmessage.org/members/marys/activity/32414/ this thread on the Worldwide Community site]
 
== Pages needing administrator ==
 
== Pages needing administrator ==
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[[Main Page]] The corridors need to link to categories, right? Following example of category:God ? Categories are listed on help page (search box only brings up 9 of 11). Alternatively, my preference actually, a "see also" link at the bottom of the corridor's main entrance, the page of that title.
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::I'm not sure about this.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:31, 23 November 2011 (PST)
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:Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::A "see also" is redundant; clicking on the category itself opens the category page. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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::::Better if the corridor links go to pages instead of categories. I'll change that. I don't think "See also" is redundant, since it's tailored page by page to take people to closely related pages that may not be in the same category.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:35, 7 December 2011 (PST)
 
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:::::Sorry, the redundant "see also" I meant was to list a category page under a "see also" heading-- [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:42, 7 December 2011 (PST)
 
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== Quotation marks ==
 
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<del>If the material is more than one paragraph, use opening quotation marks for each paragraph but closing quotation marks only at the end.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 18:59, 16 November 2011 (PST)</del>
 
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:Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)
 
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Paragraphs that do not have citations raise question ("do I need to check this citation?") and could also be separated from the subsequent paragraph with the citation (ref), causing even more questions. So, forget about the dainty way of using quotation marks to show continuity, and make sure the source for each paragraph is clearly marked. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:50, 11 November 2013 (PST)
 
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What do you say we tighten up the quotations with lots of white space? --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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When I quote an excerpt that straddles paragraphs, I combine them ignoring the paragraph break.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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When copying from other sources and pasting onto wiki, a couple things (so far) to watch: 1) two hyphens does not equal an mdash in wikiscript. You will need to replace them with code: ampersand, mdash, semicolon &mdash; find it on chart at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting help page for formatting]). 2) In passages with quotation marks, change them to apostrophes. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 12:40, 17 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:I feel that two hyphens will do in a pinch. It can be later cleaned up with a search, right? It needs to remain easy for people to pop the wiki open, drop in an excellent quote, and leave, without worrying about syntax. And yes, a real mdash will look better and be easier to read.[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:::I was wrong about using two hyphens; they do seem to join now (in an ndash, i guess, but ok, ok).
 
  
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==Capitalization in Page Titles==
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== Longer quotes ==
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Page titles are cap sensitive, except for the initial letter in the title. For convenient internal linking, I prefer to only use caps in the first letter of the page title and any word that is commonly capitalized in the New Message ("Great Waves of change"). This does not apply to the "Quotes About _____" pages, which are all redirects. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:50, 11 November 2013 (PST)
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Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <nowiki> <blockquote> </blockquote> </nowiki> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)</del>

Latest revision as of 16:55, 18 May 2020

Please sign your addition with four tildes (~). Will 09:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Also please indent replies with added colons(:) to clarify threads.
Like this.Will 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Discussion

How to get started
  • A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link.
  • NMfG quotations only, no original content --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Needs on the wiki
A-Z review for needs:
--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW: search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("Discussion" tab at top beside "Page"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
--super-bulky pages needing splitting: take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
--check all pages to make sure they include
  • Categories;
  • "See also";
  • "Further Study";
  • graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
  • quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (replace with direct words from quotes).---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Formatting References

PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY! Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.

General guidelines
  • Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional
  • The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of The One Book--Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion pages

Use these for additional quotes that

  • duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.
  • do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
  • have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups

Further discussion, with examples, on this thread on the Worldwide Community site

Pages needing administrator

Categories
Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Longer quotes

Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <blockquote> </blockquote> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph!Will 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)
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