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::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
::Like this.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
=Discussion=
 
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== Page titles ==
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:*A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link.
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Are we aiming for a streamlined or exhaustive index ? oops, wrong word. If it were an index, we could put sub-headings under main titles. Which we can do, using "see also," or redirect, e.g., "Age of Women" see also or redirect to "Women." But for now, are we aiming for big ideas, ideas general to the spiritual questor's vocabulary, or particularly pronounced concepts originating from the New Message? Outside in or inside out, to rephrase the latter two, or in other words, do our entries flow from the inquirer's questions or from the texts. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 09:35, 17 November 2011 (PST)  
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:*NMfG quotations only, no original content --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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;Needs on the wiki
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: A-Z review for needs:
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:::--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books '''WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW''': search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("'''Discussion'''" tab at top beside "'''Page'''"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
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:::--super-bulky pages needing splitting: ''take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page'' (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
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:::--check all pages to make sure they include
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:::::*[https://www.newmessage.org/wiki/Special:Categories Categories];
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:::::*"See also";
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:::::*"Further Study";
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:::::*graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
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:::::*quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (''replace with direct words from quotes'').---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
  
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When there's a phrase in the teachings that typically pairs two concepts, is it better to separate them? (Sigh. I like those paired concepts but they JDLR--just don't look right)-[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 09:35, 17 November 2011 (PST)
 
 
==Formatting References==
 
==Formatting References==
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Old-school style says to italicize book-length works, quotation marks for articles (big enough to stand on its own/a portion of a collected work). The exception is religious works: the Bible, the Koran. Our lives would be easier if we agree the NM titles fit the rule on religious works (except for me, who will take italics off everywhere I put them). I've asked DM for feedback on citation style. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 18:38, 15 November 2011 (PST)
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'''PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY!''' Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.
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:A contribution made on 17 Nov. 2011 at 05:21 PST by esteemed collaborator shows the use of quotation marks for (so-called "chapter-length") individual teaching, "The Gift." Yes! I would like to retain italics for books and quotation marks for chapters. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 09:35, 17 November 2011 (PST)
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Despite the (hundreds?) of places where I've embedded an external link to the website for the book (GCS, primarily), it will probably be better to embed an interior link to the entry for the title--the link to website can be located there. But what about individual teachings?  An external link to the site of the teaching would be great... --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 21:00, 16 November 2011 (PST)
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:*Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional
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:My preference would be for external links to all printmatter. And also to de-list book titles from the pages of the wiki, combining them on a "Books of the New Message" or "Bibliography" page. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 09:44, 17 November 2011 (PST)
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:*The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of ''The One Book''--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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My habit is not to capitalize but to abbreviate the words "chapter," "page" and "volume." Going to be hard to break. Will I have to? --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:04, 15 November 2011 (PST)
 
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==Footnotes==
 
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I really want to be able to paraphrase for brevity, and then cite long quotes at the bottom of the page. However, I don't know the best way to do this, especially since footnote numbering will all get messed up when you add new ones out of order. Any ideas? I'm tempted by the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php cite extension] but it'll take some work.[[User:Will|Will]] 09:40, 7 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Any other issues with [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php cite extension]? Delegating the work to one individual could be a spot fix. I.e., I could take it on (with some help translating the technical instructions provided by Mediawiki), following up on Recent changes. I find myself loathe to paraphrase except to outline and would be happy if a more advanced student could do it. [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 11:02, 8 November 2011 (PST)
 
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::I agree with this criticism found on the Cite.php help page, along with the '''just more tedious''' remark, '''because many casual Wikipedia users are not familar with the cryptic Wikitext tags that they find with the use of Cite.php, it is likely that the net effect of Cite.php is often to deter new users from making edits to reference sections''' These criticisms don't outweigh the advantages, once we do have paraphrased copy as intro. [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 14:56, 11 November 2011 (PST)
 
  
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== Ellipses ==
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==Discussion pages==
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If you cut the beginning of a sentence from your quote, with a full sentence remaining, just capitalize the first word in the new (partial) sentence, no ellipses points (...) needed. Do use ellipses points (...) if omitting words from within the quotation. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 21:00, 16 November 2011 (PST)
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Use these for additional quotes that
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=Questions=
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*duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.
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*do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
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[[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 01:00, 10 November 2011 (PST)[[User:mitch|mitch]]
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*have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups
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:Not sure, Will, if that is what you meant by marking our additions with four tildes. Please acknowledge or correct. If so, it appears the intention is for the eye to more easily identify the various inputs.
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Further discussion, with examples, on [https://www.community.newmessage.org/members/marys/activity/32414/ this thread on the Worldwide Community site]
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::Hello. See the Help page (last item on Navigation menu)  [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 14:56, 11 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:::Thank you, Mary, for pointing out the signature button above. I had not previously focused on those button at all. They offer some nice time savers. --[[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 02:18, 17 November 2011 (PST)
 
 
== Pages needing administrator ==
 
== Pages needing administrator ==
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[[Main Page]] The corridors need to link to categories, right? Following example of category:God ? Categories are listed on help page (search box only brings up 9 of 11). Alternatively, my preference actually, a "see also" link at the bottom of the corridor's main entrance, the page of that title.
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::I'm not sure about this.-Will[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:31, 23 November 2011 (PST)
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:Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::A "see also" is redundant; clicking on the category itself opens the category page. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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If the material is more than one paragraph, use opening quotation marks for each paragraph but closing quotation marks only at the end.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 18:59, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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What do you say we tighten up the quotations with lots of white space? --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
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When I quote an excerpt that straddles paragraphs, I combine them ignoring the paragraph break.--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:07, 16 November 2011 (PST)
 
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:Please yes[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
 
  
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When copying from other sources and pasting onto wiki, a couple things (so far) to watch: 1) two hyphens does not equal an mdash in wikiscript. You will need to replace them with code: ampersand, mdash, semicolon &mdash; find it on chart at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting help page for formatting]). 2) In passages with quotation marks, change them to apostrophes. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 12:40, 17 November 2011 (PST)
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:I feel that two hyphens will do in a pinch. It can be later cleaned up with a search, right? It needs to remain easy for people to pop the wiki open, drop in an excellent quote, and leave, without worrying about syntax. And yes, a real mdash will look better and be easier to read.[[User:WikiAdmin|WikiAdmin]] 18:34, 23 November 2011 (PST)
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Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <nowiki> <blockquote> </blockquote> </nowiki> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] ([[User talk:Mary s|talk]]) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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:Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph![[User:Will|Will]] 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)</del>

Latest revision as of 16:55, 18 May 2020

Please sign your addition with four tildes (~). Will 09:31, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Also please indent replies with added colons(:) to clarify threads.
Like this.Will 09:39, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Discussion

How to get started
  • A Google document will take you step by step, How to Edit the Wiki; message Mary S for a link.
  • NMfG quotations only, no original content --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Needs on the wiki
A-Z review for needs:
--skimpy pages or references weighted toward any or all of these earlier books WV1 & 2, GCS, RHP, LTW: search the website for other revelations that offer additional insight (if no new insight, place the quote or title on the talk page ("Discussion" tab at top beside "Page"); Examine for generic headers such as "Excerpts" or "longer [or shorter] quotes" (ok if it includes the keyword, e.g. "short quotes about love")
--super-bulky pages needing splitting: take a section, simplify the name and take the whole section to a new page (watch for shared references (<ref name=" ">) to fill in as needed.
--check all pages to make sure they include
  • Categories;
  • "See also";
  • "Further Study";
  • graphic interest (image and layout--organized from most simple to most detail);
  • quotes aligned with the headings, headings using New Message terminology (replace with direct words from quotes).---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Formatting References

PROPER FORMATTING IS NOT REQUIRED OR NECESSARY! Contributions are vital; the hypertext formatting code is not.

General guidelines
  • Please give the name and date of the revelation if not assigned as a chapter in a book, formatting is optional
  • The Book and chapter if published in a Volume of The One Book--Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion pages

Use these for additional quotes that

  • duplicate what is on the Page; ok to post the title of the revelation with a reference, with or without posting the quote.
  • do include the word for the page but the context is not strictly pertinent to that word; do add these quotes.
  • have no need to format the references with all the mark-ups

Further discussion, with examples, on this thread on the Worldwide Community site

Pages needing administrator

Categories
Best to check with a Society member such as Will before creating new categories, calling for any suggestions. I wonder if a series could be added with the words "Quotes About" to break down topics covered by the New Message --Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Longer quotes

Succinct is best, 2 paragraphs or less is desirable. If longer than one verse, use <blockquote> </blockquote> and watch for Will's concern below that quotes don't get separated.---Mary s (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes please. However, I'm concerned there may be places in the wiki where multiple quotes from the same chapter have been linked with an unclosed quotation. I may have even followed that a few times by merging disparate quotes into a single paragraph!Will 09:33, 8 December 2011 (PST)
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